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So Really?!, no Trayvon Martin opinions?

Tue, Apr 3 2012 05:30pm EDT 1
BabeInCaptivity
BabeInCaptivity
84 Posts
I thought for sure I'd see at least one person post. Personally I don't think anyone besides G Zimmerman will really know what happened that Sunday night, but I'd love to be on the jury to at least hear the details better. The media does twist a lot of things just to spark outrage. I'm just shocked over the fact that this guy wasn't immediately arrested at the least just to cover all the bases...what do you think?
Tue, Apr 3 2012 07:01pm EDT 2
FrugalGail
FrugalGail
2018 Posts
I don't have an opinion because I don't think that we know any of the facts. Of course not knowing any of the facts hasn't stopped thousands of people from taking to the streets. It hasn't stopped countless reporters and pundits from reporting conjecture as if it were fact.
Tue, Apr 3 2012 08:25pm EDT 3
CLJCathy
CLJCathy
333 Posts
My opinion is I don't like the "Stand by Your Ground Law" I think this proves if there are no other witnesses you can see that anyone can claim that defense and it is very hard to prove otherwise. I know they are reviewing it, I am happy for that.
Tue, Apr 3 2012 09:05pm EDT 4
mi3suns
mi3suns
1499 Posts
Hey, anyone can start a discussion on any kind of topic!

I haven't been home much so I haven't seen a lot of news (plus I don't have the 24 hour news channels). Like Gail, I've been waiting for all of the facts to come out. I wasn't sure if they weren't coming or if I was just missing them. Things seems a little weird that we haven't heard much in terms of facts (or at least I haven't heard). I thought I caught this morning that he had been on the phone with his girlfriend right yet she hasn't been interviewed yet. I don't understand why. She might have some details. Are there photos taken at the police station of Zimmerman's injuries besides a grainy video tape? I would have thought there would be photos for evidence. I just feel like I haven't heard enough yet.

Tue, Apr 3 2012 09:59pm EDT 5
meetwo
meetwo
20 Posts
Regardless of "who did what".......those 911 calls with the screams and wails in the background are heartbreaking. It is a sad situation whether it was one's fault, the other's fault, or both.
Wed, Apr 4 2012 05:56am EDT 6
Sharlock
Sharlock
137 Posts
I agree BabeInCapitivity, I think Zimmerman should have been arrested . No we don't know all the facts, but if a black man had "killed" a white teenage boy in "self-defense" they would have already arrested him. A lot of people are upset and are taking to the streets because they are afraid justice will not prevail.
Wed, Apr 4 2012 06:49am EDT 7
mi3suns
mi3suns
1499 Posts
Based on the initial reports, I do think Zimmerman should have been arrested and I'm surprised that little has been done to him at this point but as I've said, I haven't seen too much since those initial reports.
Wed, Apr 4 2012 09:34am EDT 8
PappaJ
PappaJ
959 Posts
No facts = No opinion.
Wed, Apr 4 2012 10:32am EDT 9
BuffaloAdmin
BuffaloAdmin
874 Posts
I would say the facts surrounding the Casey Anthony case were just as murky but lots of people had their opinions on that from start to finish; people demonstrated and the like. And she was aquitted based on lack of evidence. I agree with Cathy on the "Stand Your Ground Law."
Wed, Apr 4 2012 11:36am EDT 10
FrugalGail
FrugalGail
2018 Posts
And that was wrong too. But I think that most people didn't form an opinion until the trial. That is not the case here.
Wed, Apr 4 2012 03:25pm EDT 11
zbsmommy
zbsmommy
347 Posts
I don't have an opinion because I don't think that we know any of the facts. Of course not knowing any of the facts hasn't stopped thousands of people from taking to the streets. It hasn't stopped countless reporters and pundits from reporting conjecture as if it were fact.

I agree, the only thing I have a comment on is the fact that they are using really old pictures of both the involved people, which I think they are doing to entice hate one way or another.

Wed, Apr 4 2012 06:29pm EDT 12
FrugalGail
FrugalGail
2018 Posts
I totally agree. It only serves to make me distrust EVERYTHING the media says about the case. The public should not form an opinion at all based on the media coverage.

This "story" became a national outcry when Al Sharpton got involved. Two words. Tawana Brawley. Enough said.
Wed, Apr 4 2012 06:59pm EDT 13
PappaJ
PappaJ
959 Posts
I totally agree. It only serves to make me distrust EVERYTHING the media says about the case. The public should not form an opinion at all based on the media coverage.

This "story" became a national outcry when Al Sharpton got involved. Two words. Tawana Brawley. Enough said.

AMEN!

Thu, Apr 5 2012 08:05am EDT 14
BuffaloAdmin
BuffaloAdmin
874 Posts
Interesting takes on this particular story.
Thu, Apr 5 2012 08:57am EDT 15
FrugalGail
FrugalGail
2018 Posts
I had a conversation with an aquaintance about this yesterday and I said that I have no opinion on who is at fault and she took that to mean that I think that Zimmerman is innocent and that Trayvon was guilty. WHAT?!?! How did she get that?

So then I discussed it with some other people. Some of them understood that having no opinion means exactly that - having no opinion. A few of them immediately interpreted it to mean that I think that Trayvon is somewhat to blame. To me this is a classic case of people thinking that if you don't share their opinion, you are against their opinion. Or - if you are not on my side you are my enemy. I hate this about our sound-bite culture. Too many people have become assustomed to all-or-nothing thinking. Black and white. Red and blue. Liberal and conservative. Us and them. The media and the culture as a whole want to put people in a box. This is a problem.
Thu, Apr 12 2012 12:40pm EDT 16
PappaJ
PappaJ
959 Posts
Now that charges have been officially made, the "Trial-by-Media" will begin!
Fri, Apr 13 2012 01:31pm EDT 17
BabeInCaptivity
BabeInCaptivity
84 Posts
Yeah I'm wondering where they're going to go where the jury won't be tainted by the media now...
Fri, Apr 13 2012 04:35pm EDT 18
BuffaloAdmin
BuffaloAdmin
874 Posts
Okay - mini rant here, but I just can't help it. I can't stay quiet or neutral on this any longer. Usually I nod my head sympathetically, "ah, yes, the media, I know what you mean..." But the fact is, I have no idea what people mean whenever they blame "the media." I am the media. You are the media. The "media" does not exist in one specific location. Media, a means by which information is disseminated, is not one organization, not one viewpoint, not one "thing."

Media, or a medium, is by definition: "an interviewing agency, means, or instrument by which something is conveyed or accomplished, one of the general means or channels of general communication." I work in "the media" and I have yet to run across a cloister of conniving reporters rubbing their grimy little palms together, plotting to deceive the public. What would be the point?

Do the people who write news get the facts wrong sometimes? Hell, yes. But increasingly the people who write the news are you and I. The Trayvon Martin story was spread via the web and social media from it's origins in Sanford, FL. The local TV stations, newspapers, etc. reported it because it is news. If there was a shooting in your neighborhood you would expect, and rightly so, that it would be covered by some type of broadcast or newsprint. Everyone has access to the press. With the Martin case, as with most things today, it went viral. People started chattering. People like you and I. When this happens, the national news outlets - networks, wires, websites and newspapers - picked up the story. People react, especially when it's a hot button issue like race, sex abuse, murder, etc. If it's "Trial-By-Media," then I would submit that it is indeed a jury of his/her peers.

You may not like what you hear via the Internet, TV, radio, newspaper, the Twittersphere, the blogosphere, your friends, your neighbors, your kids, your co-workers or whatever, whomever. But for godsakes, don't shoot the messengers. Freedom of the press, of speech, is my right and yours. Think of the alternative.
Fri, Apr 13 2012 05:06pm EDT 19
FrugalGail
FrugalGail
2018 Posts
A producer at NBC has been fired because of the manipulation of this case. NBC repeatedly aired an edited version of Zimmerman's 911 call. The edited version implied that he was suspicious of Martin because he was black, when in fact the 911 operator specifically asked Zimmerman if the person was white, black, or Hispanic. Zimmerman answered the question. NBC edited the question out. This is why I don't trust "the media." I am glad that the producer was fired. The industry needs to weed out all the manipulators. Unfortunately, I think that is going to be a big job.
Fri, Apr 13 2012 06:40pm EDT 20
CLJCathy
CLJCathy
333 Posts
I think in general you have to listen to several different outlets to get to the truth of most stories. I think each network tends to slant stories their own way and if you listern to several you usally can get the real gist of a story. If you only ever trust one source you will never be completely informed. It is too diffucilt for one station, one reporter, one organization to know everything when different sources will give different information to different people who are asking the questions.

I tend to read the newspaper, browse the internet, watch several news channels and listen to seveal talk radio shows. I hope between all of that I am getting the truth somewhere mixed in.
Fri, Apr 13 2012 06:44pm EDT 21
PappaJ
PappaJ
959 Posts
This case (and many others) have been tainted by media coverage. The 'reporters' go out of their way to find an angle to get a 'story'. And in many cases that story will cover only one aspect of a case and then the public picks up on that point and forms an opinion. In this case the primary angle is race. There are two sides to every story and we (the public) have been bombarded with one side and opinions are being formed from this (mis)information without the benefit of the 'other side' being heard. Mr. Zimmerman has been 'convicted' by the media because of this one-sided coverage even before a trial has been scheduled. It will also be nearly impossible to seat an impartial jury because of all the hype this case has received. I stand by my "Trial-by-Media" statement!

Fri, Apr 13 2012 07:27pm EDT 22
Sharlock
Sharlock
137 Posts
I'm glad Zimmerman got arrested. Let the trial begin and let the facts speak for themselves. However, I am concerned about finding an unbiased jury.
Sat, Apr 14 2012 09:59am EDT 23
BuffaloAdmin
BuffaloAdmin
874 Posts
I would say I agree with Cathy's approach of reading information from many sources. I would also say to look for citations: "Police investigators say,..." "A witness at the scene says,..." and the like. The more, the better. Newspapers have much more room to dedicate to coverage so they tend to be more in-depth and have less edited content. And I would always assume there's more to the story.

I think everyone knows that broadcast media heavily edits all of it's content due to time constraints. This is no excuse for bad editing or deceptive practices but as Gail pointed out above (see my citation and unedited version of the story below), bad editing will be quickly discovered because of the unprecedented amount of information being shared everywhere. This from the media outlet, the Los Angeles Times:

NEW YORK — NBC News has fired a producer for editing a recording of a neighborhood watch volunteer's call to police the night he shot an unarmed teenager, a person with direct knowledge of the matter said Saturday.

The person was not authorized to talk about the situation publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity. The identity of the producer was not disclosed.

An NBC spokeswoman declined to comment.

The producer's dismissal followed an internal investigation that led to NBC apologizing for having aired the misleading audio.

NBC's "Today" show first aired the edited version of watch volunteer George Zimmerman's call on March 27, about a month after the shooting. The recording viewers heard was trimmed to suggest that Zimmerman volunteered to police, with no prompting, that Trayvon Martin was black: "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."

But the portion of the tape that was deleted had the emergency dispatcher asking Zimmerman whether the person who had raised his suspicion was "black, white or Hispanic," to which Zimmerman responded, "He looks black."

I can think of 2 infamous cases off the top of my head where the jury's decision was the opposite of what most people believed at the time: O.J. Simpson and Casey Anthony. I don't know if this is an indicaton of an unbiased jury or not.

I believe that as imperfect as our institutions seem at times, we are better with them than without them. I also applaud those who speak their minds like all of you here. The more views we have to ponder, saying that we do indeed ponder them, the more balanced and tolerant we become.
Sat, Apr 14 2012 10:46am EDT 24
Sandy A
Sandy A
91 Posts
I honestly do not know why this turned out to be national news. It seems to me that some people thrive on drama and will take what they can get to create drama or enable their statement to be made. From the information I have heard, the boy was troubled and was creating problems and Zimmerman was in his rights to defend himself. But that is only my opinion from the information that I've seen. As more info comes out, my opinion will probably change. But who am I to judge? I feel bad for Zimmerman's family with all the death threats and such...In cases like this it seems like there is never justice because someone will still be dealing with the effects for a long time.

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