| Tue, Apr 3 2012 05:30pm EDT 1 |

BabeInCaptivity
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I thought for sure I'd see at least one person post. Personally I
don't think anyone besides G Zimmerman will really know what
happened that Sunday night, but I'd love to be on the jury to at
least hear the details better. The media does twist a lot of things
just to spark outrage. I'm just shocked over the fact that this guy
wasn't immediately arrested at the least just to cover all the
bases...what do you think?
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| Tue, Apr 3 2012 07:01pm EDT 2 |

FrugalGail
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I don't have an opinion because I don't think that we know any of
the facts. Of course not knowing any of the facts hasn't stopped
thousands of people from taking to the streets. It hasn't stopped
countless reporters and pundits from reporting conjecture as if it
were fact.
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| Tue, Apr 3 2012 08:25pm EDT 3 |

CLJCathy
333 Posts
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My opinion is I don't like the "Stand by Your Ground Law" I think
this proves if there are no other witnesses you can see that anyone
can claim that defense and it is very hard to prove otherwise. I
know they are reviewing it, I am happy for that.
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| Tue, Apr 3 2012 09:05pm EDT 4 |

mi3suns
1499 Posts
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Hey, anyone can start a discussion on any kind of topic!
I haven't been home much so I haven't seen a lot of news (plus I
don't have the 24 hour news channels). Like Gail, I've been waiting
for all of the facts to come out. I wasn't sure if they weren't
coming or if I was just missing them. Things seems a little weird
that we haven't heard much in terms of facts (or at least I haven't
heard). I thought I caught this morning that he had been on the
phone with his girlfriend right yet she hasn't been interviewed
yet. I don't understand why. She might have some details. Are there
photos taken at the police station of Zimmerman's injuries besides
a grainy video tape? I would have thought there would be photos for
evidence. I just feel like I haven't heard enough yet.
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| Tue, Apr 3 2012 09:59pm EDT 5 |

meetwo
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Regardless of "who did what".......those 911 calls with the screams
and wails in the background are heartbreaking. It is a sad
situation whether it was one's fault, the other's fault, or both.
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| Wed, Apr 4 2012 05:56am EDT 6 |

Sharlock
137 Posts
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I agree BabeInCapitivity, I think Zimmerman should have been
arrested . No we don't know all the facts, but if a black man had
"killed" a white teenage boy in "self-defense" they would have
already arrested him. A lot of people are upset and are taking to
the streets because they are afraid justice will not prevail.
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| Wed, Apr 4 2012 06:49am EDT 7 |

mi3suns
1499 Posts
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Based on the initial reports, I do think Zimmerman should have been
arrested and I'm surprised that little has been done to him at this
point but as I've said, I haven't seen too much since those initial
reports.
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| Wed, Apr 4 2012 09:34am EDT 8 |

PappaJ
959 Posts
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No facts = No opinion.
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| Wed, Apr 4 2012 10:32am EDT 9 |

BuffaloAdmin
874 Posts
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I would say the facts surrounding the Casey Anthony case were just
as murky but lots of people had their opinions on that from start
to finish; people demonstrated and the like. And she was aquitted
based on lack of evidence. I agree with Cathy on the "Stand Your
Ground Law."
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| Wed, Apr 4 2012 11:36am EDT 10 |

FrugalGail
2018 Posts
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And that was wrong too. But I think that most people didn't form an
opinion until the trial. That is not the case here.
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| Wed, Apr 4 2012 03:25pm EDT 11 |

zbsmommy
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I don't have an opinion because I don't think that we know any of
the facts. Of course not knowing any of the facts hasn't stopped
thousands of people from taking to the streets. It hasn't stopped
countless reporters and pundits from reporting conjecture as if
it were fact.
I agree, the only thing I have a comment on is the fact that they
are using really old pictures of both the involved people, which
I think they are doing to entice hate one way or another.
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| Wed, Apr 4 2012 06:29pm EDT 12 |

FrugalGail
2018 Posts
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I totally agree. It only serves to make me distrust EVERYTHING the
media says about the case. The public should not form an opinion at
all based on the media coverage.
This "story" became a national outcry when Al Sharpton got
involved. Two words. Tawana Brawley. Enough said.
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| Wed, Apr 4 2012 06:59pm EDT 13 |

PappaJ
959 Posts
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I totally agree. It only serves to make me distrust EVERYTHING
the media says about the case. The public should not form an
opinion at all based on the media coverage.
This "story" became a national outcry when Al Sharpton got
involved. Two words. Tawana Brawley. Enough said.
AMEN!
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| Thu, Apr 5 2012 08:05am EDT 14 |

BuffaloAdmin
874 Posts
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Interesting takes on this particular story.
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| Thu, Apr 5 2012 08:57am EDT 15 |

FrugalGail
2018 Posts
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I had a conversation with an aquaintance about this yesterday and I
said that I have no opinion on who is at fault and she took that to
mean that I think that Zimmerman is innocent and that Trayvon was
guilty. WHAT?!?! How did she get that?
So then I discussed it with some other people. Some of them
understood that having no opinion means exactly that - having no
opinion. A few of them immediately interpreted it to mean that I
think that Trayvon is somewhat to blame. To me this is a classic
case of people thinking that if you don't share their opinion, you
are against their opinion. Or - if you are not on my side you are
my enemy. I hate this about our sound-bite culture. Too many people
have become assustomed to all-or-nothing thinking. Black and white.
Red and blue. Liberal and conservative. Us and them. The media and
the culture as a whole want to put people in a box. This is a
problem.
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| Thu, Apr 12 2012 12:40pm EDT 16 |

PappaJ
959 Posts
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Now that charges have been officially made, the "Trial-by-Media"
will begin!
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| Fri, Apr 13 2012 01:31pm EDT 17 |

BabeInCaptivity
84 Posts
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Yeah I'm wondering where they're going to go where the jury won't
be tainted by the media now...
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| Fri, Apr 13 2012 04:35pm EDT 18 |

BuffaloAdmin
874 Posts
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Okay - mini rant here, but I just can't help it. I can't stay quiet
or neutral on this any longer. Usually I nod my head
sympathetically, "ah, yes, the media, I know what you mean..." But
the fact is, I have no idea what people mean whenever they blame
"the media." I am the media. You are the media. The "media" does
not exist in one specific location. Media, a means by which
information is disseminated, is not one organization, not one
viewpoint, not one "thing."
Media, or a medium, is by definition: "an interviewing agency,
means, or instrument by which something is conveyed or
accomplished, one of the general means or channels of general
communication." I work in "the media" and I have yet to run
across a cloister of conniving reporters rubbing their grimy
little palms together, plotting to deceive the public. What would
be the point?
Do the people who write news get the facts wrong sometimes? Hell,
yes. But increasingly the people who write the news are you and
I. The Trayvon Martin story was spread via the web and social
media from it's origins in Sanford, FL. The local TV stations,
newspapers, etc. reported it because it is news. If there was a
shooting in your neighborhood you would expect, and rightly so,
that it would be covered by some type of broadcast or newsprint.
Everyone has access to the press. With the Martin case, as with
most things today, it went viral. People started chattering.
People like you and I. When this happens, the national news
outlets - networks, wires, websites and newspapers - picked up
the story. People react, especially when it's a hot button issue
like race, sex abuse, murder, etc. If it's "Trial-By-Media," then
I would submit that it is indeed a jury of his/her peers.
You may not like what you hear via the Internet, TV, radio,
newspaper, the Twittersphere, the blogosphere, your friends, your
neighbors, your kids, your co-workers or whatever, whomever. But
for godsakes, don't shoot the messengers. Freedom of the press,
of speech, is my right and yours. Think of the
alternative.
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| Fri, Apr 13 2012 05:06pm EDT 19 |

FrugalGail
2018 Posts
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A producer at NBC has been fired because of the manipulation of
this case. NBC repeatedly aired an edited version of Zimmerman's
911 call. The edited version implied that he was suspicious of
Martin because he was black, when in fact the 911 operator
specifically asked Zimmerman if the person was white, black, or
Hispanic. Zimmerman answered the question. NBC edited the question
out. This is why I don't trust "the media." I am glad that the
producer was fired. The industry needs to weed out all the
manipulators. Unfortunately, I think that is going to be a big job.
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| Fri, Apr 13 2012 06:40pm EDT 20 |

CLJCathy
333 Posts
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I think in general you have to listen to several different outlets
to get to the truth of most stories. I think each network tends to
slant stories their own way and if you listern to several you
usally can get the real gist of a story. If you only ever trust one
source you will never be completely informed. It is too diffucilt
for one station, one reporter, one organization to know everything
when different sources will give different information to different
people who are asking the questions.
I tend to read the newspaper, browse the internet, watch several
news channels and listen to seveal talk radio shows. I hope between
all of that I am getting the truth somewhere mixed in.
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| Fri, Apr 13 2012 06:44pm EDT 21 |

PappaJ
959 Posts
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This case (and many others) have been tainted by media coverage.
The 'reporters' go out of their way to find an angle to get a
'story'. And in many cases that story will cover only one aspect of
a case and then the public picks up on that point and forms an
opinion. In this case the primary angle is race. There are two
sides to every story and we (the public) have been bombarded with
one side and opinions are being formed from this (mis)information
without the benefit of the 'other side' being heard. Mr. Zimmerman
has been 'convicted' by the media because of this one-sided
coverage even before a trial has been scheduled. It will also be
nearly impossible to seat an impartial jury because of all the hype
this case has received. I stand by my "Trial-by-Media"
statement!
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| Fri, Apr 13 2012 07:27pm EDT 22 |

Sharlock
137 Posts
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I'm glad Zimmerman got arrested. Let the trial begin and let the
facts speak for themselves. However, I am concerned about finding
an unbiased jury.
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| Sat, Apr 14 2012 09:59am EDT 23 |

BuffaloAdmin
874 Posts
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I would say I agree with Cathy's approach of reading information
from many sources. I would also say to look for citations: "Police
investigators say,..." "A witness at the scene says,..." and the
like. The more, the better. Newspapers have much more room to
dedicate to coverage so they tend to be more in-depth and have less
edited content. And I would always assume there's more to the
story.
I think everyone knows that broadcast media heavily edits all of
it's content due to time constraints. This is no excuse for bad
editing or deceptive practices but as Gail pointed out above (see
my citation and unedited version of the story below), bad editing
will be quickly discovered because of the unprecedented amount of
information being shared everywhere. This from the media outlet,
the Los Angeles Times:
NEW YORK — NBC News has fired a producer for editing a
recording of a neighborhood watch volunteer's call to police
the night he shot an unarmed teenager, a person with direct
knowledge of the matter said Saturday.
The person was not authorized to talk about the situation
publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity. The identity of
the producer was not disclosed.
An NBC spokeswoman declined to comment.
The producer's dismissal followed an internal investigation
that led to NBC apologizing for having aired the misleading
audio.
NBC's "Today" show first aired the
edited version of watch volunteer George Zimmerman's call on
March 27, about a month after the shooting. The recording
viewers heard was trimmed to suggest that Zimmerman volunteered
to police, with no prompting, that Trayvon Martin was black: "This
guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."
But the portion of the tape that was deleted had the
emergency dispatcher asking Zimmerman whether the person who
had raised his suspicion was "black, white or Hispanic," to
which Zimmerman responded, "He looks black."
I can think of 2 infamous cases off the top of my head where the
jury's decision was the opposite of what most people believed at
the time: O.J. Simpson and Casey Anthony. I don't know if this is
an indicaton of an unbiased jury or not.
I believe that as imperfect as our institutions seem at times, we
are better with them than without them. I also applaud those who
speak their minds like all of you here. The more views we have to
ponder, saying that we do indeed ponder them, the more balanced
and tolerant we become.
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| Sat, Apr 14 2012 10:46am EDT 24 |

Sandy A
91 Posts
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I honestly do not know why this turned out to be national news. It
seems to me that some people thrive on drama and will take what
they can get to create drama or enable their statement to be made.
From the information I have heard, the boy was troubled and was
creating problems and Zimmerman was in his rights to defend
himself. But that is only my opinion from the information that I've
seen. As more info comes out, my opinion will probably change. But
who am I to judge? I feel bad for Zimmerman's family with all the
death threats and such...In cases like this it seems like there is
never justice because someone will still be dealing with the
effects for a long time.
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